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Art and the Opinion of Others.

Fri Apr 18, 2008, 11:18 PM
Let me start by making one thing perfectly clear. No one has the right to tell someone else that what they consider art may not, by any contrived stretch of imagination or leap of logic, be so. Industry does not determine what is art, only what they think should be popular culture. Art can be defined as good and bad, however, this is purely a matter of opinion and should be based solely on the matter of aesthetics, not 'is this technical, realistic,' or anything else. Art is an abstract concept defined only by the definition of 'is it pretty TO ME?' If art was required to follow some predefined standard jammed into your head by a snobbish teacher, than everyone who does abstract and impressionistic art FAILS, and fails hard. Many 'classical' art greats and legends threw realism and technique to the wind and did what they bloody-well pleased.

Perhaps you are wondering what has brought this rant on. Throughout my entire span as an artist, I have been repeatedly attacked by the 'I've taken an art class' elite because my art style is not 100% real, and not 100% anime; completely disregarding the fact that I've spent years of effort, practice, and pain developing MY OWN BLOODY STYLE, that is unique to me. If I wanted to produce the same thing that everyone else did, with no spark of individuality, personification, or self, then I would have went to the same droning classes that they did. What irks me even further is the fact that half of these people spouting this nonsense at me FAILED THE BLEEDING CLASS! What right does someone who flunked or dropped out of an art class have to tell me what is or is not art? let alone anyone else who is so close-minded to deny the artistic value of anyone, based solely on the premise that they don't like it. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it 'not art.' It simply means that you don't like it, which is perfectly within your rights.

By this measure, this then brings up the point of what isn't art. Technically, there's no such thing as 'not art,' as long as it is an expression of the artist's creativity and contains some modicum of genuine effort. Something that has been drawn to squeeze a buck out of something that is popular, shows no effort to be creative, inspirational, expressive, or unique, or contains very little in the way of aesthetics may be bad art, but can't be said to not be art.

So, before you look at someone and tell them that their artwork isn't art, for whatever reason, take a step back, and ask yourself how you would feel if someone told you that your effort isn't what you feel it to be. Think for a moment of how you struggled to get to where you were. Find a LEGITIMATE reason to say that you don't like it and tell them the truth: that it isn't a type of art that you are in to; rather than trying to tear down and devalue their efforts to try and express themselves.

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Seems fair enough to me at the least. It's a matter of being open minded.

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Mew
I'm in 100% agreement with you.

All through my middle school and high school years I took as many art classes as I could and it was all taught by the same art teacher. I've been able to change her mind, over the course of those years, that anime is in fact a style and is an art form. She had never encountered anime before and stuck to fine arts all her life and so when she looked at my anime drawings she seemed dissapointed and tried to persuade me into drawing still life or another style that was not 'childish' and 'cartoony'. I was upset by this, and since I was young and she had years and years of more exerience, I was almost tempted to believe her. But I had found my passion in anime and I continued anyway despite what she said. She talked to other art teachers and found that anime was a growing style throughout all of their classes, whether they believed it to be a style of art or not, they had to recognize that it was there and it was creative expression. Eventually she saw that it was a form of art that not just Japanese artists used, and it's popularity was growing tremendously. She had to at least accept that. So when people give me a hard time about my style (generally people who've never been exposed to anime) I just blow them off and continuing to do what I love to do. I know that others enjoy it and that's all that matters to me.
This is one of the main problems plaguing the American anime art community these days; we hear all the time complaints that "all anime art looks the same," but when an artist dares to step outside the box and create a style of his own, his works then get attacked for not looking enough like all of the other anime art. :|

The haters, they are everywhere. Sometimes the best thing we as artists can do is just to ignore the closed-minded and just keep trying to produce the highest quality work we can, on our own terms.

And let's face it, as the creators of the work we have a tendency to criticize our own works more than anyone else can... so their comments should just bounce right off. :nod:

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I'm glad to hear that some people are starting to change their mind, however, a fundamental basic problem is presented in your story. So what if an art style is limited to a particular region. That doesn't make it any less an art form than any other regional art style. Even music has styles that are limited to specific regions, and though they are different, they are still considered to be music by the masses. Music is just a different form of creative expression, but is still art, and if music can have such regional distinctions, then why can't visual arts.

Additionally, Disney's 'cartoon-esque' art style is an accepted form of artistic expression. To say that anime as any less an art than Disney animation is nothing short of prejudice and elitism.

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Mew
As much as such comments should bounce off, there's a difference between telling yourself 'I made a mistake, but it's alright, because I'm learning from it,' and being told by someone 'that's not art, because it isn't like people who have been dead upwards of 300 to 400 years.' The art 'industry' has stagnated itself to a stand-still with this thinking. You never hear about modern artistic legends, because there is no such thing in a world where everyone is just copying the great ones who came before them.

I spent 17 years developing what has turned into my style, and that's not even counting the three years I had to stop drawing, due to developing tendinitis and then having to relearn how to draw, again, from scratch. I'm proud to say that my art style is distinctly my own. I am proud to say that I am continuing to develop what, I believe, will be my mark in the world of art. I am proud to say that my art is not a copy of some other legend who I never knew and did not study directly under.

It's one thing to learn from the artistic legends of the past. It's another to steal their style wholesale and claim to be great because you can do it like they did.

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Mew
Hmm, I remember when this was a problem for me when I was growing up. Anime was not considered an artform and it really irked me as well. In fact, for a while I was teased about it. However, most were surprised when I spoke that Disney inspired anime in a small sort of way. So I felt justified in pursuing my dream. I was in short an "oriental fanatic* I loved everything Japanese from clothing to objects. I blame Shogun the series for that.... heh... I'm not sure what can be done to change people's view of anime, though I sure with time...that will change due to popularity of the genre.

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One would think that open-mindedness was an unwritten requirement for being an artist, but, oddly, this is not the case.

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